The Binary Circumstance on Reason and Faith
The Binary Circumstance responds to a post of mine in which I responded to an earlier post by him. The discussion is about the interaction between faith and reason.#
He first clarifies that he can't really disagree with the overall gist of what I was saying that: That "religion" is not all bad, it played a good role in the past. He also says that is important to consider the meaning of the words that we're using:
Again, defintions are important here. Thomas Paine said that he believed in God but was denounced as an Atheist. His book,The Age of Reason, which wrote about previously, is a vehement denounciation of organized religion of any sort. So was he religious or not?
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I would never however confuse that open-ended sense of awe with religion, however, which I would define as a prescribed set of beliefs, a closed system, completely disinterested in inquiry or evidence. When you've got all the answers, why ask questions? How can you answer questions if you ignore evidence?
If one begins with the premise that a Supreme Being exists, then there is a tendency to only look at evidence that supports that belief, and discard any that doesn't support it.
BC writes that a central concern for many men is to understand their "smallness" in relationship to the "bigness" of the outside world. How do you understand that which is infinite and inherently un-understandable?
But I don't see how faith, which does not require evidence, can play any role in that process, for it can never be anything more than an unproven belief. Whether it is held by one person or many, it never rises above the level of belief until it is fearlessly tested and explored. But at that point, it is no longer faith, but the process of reason.
I will attempt to give my thoughts on matters of reason, faith, and religion.
I completely support and agree with the notion that whatever my definitions of reason, faith, and religion are probably not the same as many Christians. As I wrote in my original piece, I would not defend any religions for their honour and importance, or skill at explaining the world as it is. I do, however, defend the idea of faith.
First, to denounce religion and faith (of a particular kind.) There are obviously many horrible things that have been done in the name of God and for religions. Most religions, as they are typically known, are about creating power structures like governments that are used to control and coerce people. They accomplish this by threatening the temporal and spiritual lives of the followers (and potential followers.) As BC illustrates, faith is one of their primary tools. They posit that they have the answers and if you buy into this faith, then you bow down and accept their chains.
Thus, religion as a power structure--often called "organized religion"--and faith in correct actions and an absolute standard, are very dangerous ideas. They encourage coercion and discourage questions or growth.
But, if we define a religion as a self-selected group of people who agree on matters of faith (of a kind I am about to define) then we have nothing to worry about. This is faith in a process. At a high level, it is the belief that when everyone does what is best for him or herself and does not hurt anyone else, they will be happy--as will others who are cooperating. And at a low level, it is the belief that reason (experimentation, evidence, evolution, and introspection) will lead us to actions that are most honest and beneficial.
It may seem strange to say that the belief in reason is itself faith, because reason and faith are opponents in this discussion, but I think it is the symptom of something more general: How we define our world is a matter of faith.
How do we know we're not brains in vats? How do we know we're not computer simulations? How do we know that we are not blind of some sense? That the "laws" of the universe are truly consistent over time and space? These things are a matter of faith and together they create the concept of reason. The primacy of existence over consciousness depends on trusting existence.
This is not to say that the outside world would not exist, were we not to observe. I am saying that the way we have defined the outside world is such in a way that means it exists beyond on us. It is faith that allows to think there is no other definition.
So, to return to theology. I don't think that the belief in a Supreme Being is incompatible with science and reason. Although I would not say that I believe this, I have no objections to it. Suppose that you believed in a Supreme Being that created the universe and, by extension, humans (either directly or through evolution) and gave them free will and loved them (like a father/mother.) If your God is infinite and being human understanding in its entirety, then you would not believe that a Bible or preacher could tell you what was right and what was wrong. To do so would be to completely understand God, which you have defined as impossible. God would then act by inspiration: by the conscience that helps you decide what is it right and wrong for you; by the beauty of the world that makes you want to live; etc.
It is my opinion that this belief system encourages reason (listening to your conscience and attempting to understand the Universe, and God) as well as encouraging Liberty and freedom from coercion (no one can know everything like God does, so there is no greater authority than the one that interacts with you.) It is also my opinion that this was the original kind of faith prescribed by Jesus and at the heart of Christianity, but it was corrupted through the years by the power structure aspirations of Churches.
(Also a note: Such a belief would not encourage people to think THEY are right, or more right, than others because inherent to it is the inability to understand God completely. So, there is no worry about having every person think they are God's voice and the actor of God's will.)
I don't think that I've really disagreed with BC. We're talking about different things when we say religion and faith. But, we both believe in the process of reason and infinitude of the individual.